The Huawei MateBook 16 Review, Powered by AMD Ryzen 7 5800H: Ecosystem Plusby Dr. Ian Cutress on October 20, 2021 8:00 AM EST
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Power and Storage Performance
The processors used in the MateBook 16 are the latest Zen 3 based AMD Ryzen Mobile parts that exist as part of AMD’s H-Series range. The H-series, both on the side of AMD and Intel, typically run with a 45 W thermal design power (TDP) by definition, although depending on the mobile device being used, the manufacturers can adjust that TDP either up or down, given the desired cooling, performance, and battery life.
|AMD Ryzen 5000 Mobile: H-Series|
|Ryzen 9 5980HX||8C / 16T||3300||4800||45W+||Vega 8|
|Ryzen 9 5980HS||8C / 16T||3000||4800||35W||Vega 8|
|Ryzen 9 5900HX||8C / 16T||3300||4600||45W+||Vega 8|
|Ryzen 9 5900HS||8C / 16T||3000||4600||35W||Vega 8|
|Ryzen 7 5800H||8C / 16T||3200||4400||45W||Vega 8|
|Ryzen 7 5800HS||8C / 16T||2800||4400||35W||Vega 8|
|Ryzen 5 5600H||6C / 12T||3300||4200||45W||Vega 7|
|Ryzen 5 5600HS||6C / 12T||3000||4200||35W||Vega 7|
Typically the TDP setting of a mobile processor isn’t just a ‘suggestion’ as with some of the desktop hardware: the power limit imposed by the TDP comes up very quickly after a few seconds of heavy loading, or even straight away for the slimmest of designs that are not designed for high thermal hotspots. As a result, we’re in a situation where looking at the processor name on a laptop or notebook means next to nothing for performance, and instead we need to look at the power use in a variety of scenarios. One day I hope that laptop vendors will list the configured power window for the processors they have tuned, but I don’t see it coming any time soon.
In this case, Huawei is using the Ryzen 7 5800H in our MateBook 16 unit: an 8-core, 16-thread processor with Vega 8 graphics. It has a nominal thermal design power of 45 W, but Huawei has configured it to run at 35 W. When run in this mode, the turbo frequencies are usually the same as the higher power mode, but when the system clamps on the maximum power, the all-core frequency is reduced to get to that level. The added bonus of this, aside from maintaining comfortable thermals on the device, is also that the processor runs nearer its peak efficiency point.
Huawei further spices it up by offering a PERFORMANCE mode. If the laptop is plugged into the wall with its 135 W charger, performance mode can be activated which allows individual cores access to the full 35 W. In all-core use, we see that the turbo time is increased, keeping the whole processor at 35 W for longer. The goal here is extra long-term performance, which we see in our testing in benchmarks that are long and compute-heavy, although we fail to see much benefit in gaming or day-to-day tasks.
To showcase this, we start with a traditionally heavy workload in Prime 95.
In this test, the Performance mode spikes at 52 W when the test begins, but then very quickly comes down to 35 W, which it continues all the way to the end of the test. By contrast, in the default balanced mode, we get 35 W for about 3 minutes, and then the processor scales back to 30 W.
Interestingly enough, we don’t see the same issue in Handbrake:
In this case both processors perform equally for the duration of the test, staying at 35 W, except for that initial 57 W spike when in performance mode. The test in this case took an identical amount of time to complete.
Agisoft is one of my tests that is more varied in the threaded workload, with a mix of all-core and single core tasks, and we see a can see a considerable different in the performance between the two modes.
I’ve adjusted the x-axis to % of benchmark complete, because the Performance mode completes the test about 6% quicker.
Here we see that the Performance mode stays at 35 W for most of the test, until the last 15% which is more single-threaded. The Balanced mode gets knocked back almost immediately to 30 W, before reducing further to 20 W. The whole test takes around 20 minutes, and the Balanced came down to 20 W around the 14-minute mark. But overall, the performance mode was quicker, at the expense of extra power.
The MateBook 16, regardless of which model you buy, will come with 16 GB of DDR4-3200 and a 512 GB NVMe SSD inside. The storage in our laptop is a Samsung PM981a, which is the same PCIe 3.0 x4 drive that Huawei has been putting inside its laptops for at least two generations, if not three. It’s still a good performer, and compared to the 1 TB version we saw in the MateBook X Pro in our previous review, it is a tiny bit faster.
While Huawei continues to use the lowest SKU of the respective stack, such as the lowest Core i7 in the Core i7-1165G7 for the MateBook X Pro and the lowest Ryzen 7 for the Ryzen 7 5800H in the MateBook 16, there isn’t much reason for them to use anything other than the PM981a, as it remains a good drive.
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Oxford Guy - Monday, October 25, 2021 - linkBut it has a screen that will shatter if you put a sticker over the webcam. Think of that advantage.
gijames1225 - Wednesday, October 20, 2021 - linkIf there's a way to bump this up to 32GB of RAM these could be nice XPS 15 competitors for people who just need the CPU performance.
Samus - Wednesday, October 20, 2021 - linkI would consider staying 16GB (2x8GB) to keep with single rank memory. That reduces latency quite a bit which really matters with an iGPU.
schujj07 - Thursday, October 21, 2021 - linkThat isn't true at all. At worst the difference in latency is just over 1ns between DR & SR. When it comes to performance, both gaming and application see typically better performance using 4 ranks vs 2 ranks.
EasyListening - Friday, October 22, 2021 - link2 sticks of dual rank is probably the best for Ryzen, but I'm not sure if that applies to the iGPU versions. Gamers Nexus did a story on dual rank vs single rank on Ryzen.
schujj07 - Friday, October 22, 2021 - linkTomshardware did one as well for the iGPU. For gaming the 2 sticks of dual rank was never slower than 2 sticks single rank. Granted the differences were just 1 -1.5fps across the 7 games geometric mean. The geometric mean for CPU performance was slightly larger for 2 stick dual rank vs 2 sticks single rank.
Oxford Guy - Sunday, October 24, 2021 - linkIt has been a few years (the review I read) but a desktop gaming test with a discrete GPU showed considerably better framerates with dual-rank RAM in some games.
Prestissimo - Friday, October 22, 2021 - linkPretty much every other laptop with H-CPU can be configured with 32GB. Lenovo, HP, Asus all have that option. Huawei is the exception here, guess they don't know their target consumers usecase.
lightningz71 - Wednesday, October 20, 2021 - linkThis is SO close... There are a couple of misses here:
1) Their "Performance" mode doesn't really appear to be hitting 45 watts. It's more like, we're allowing it to stay at a full 35 watts, as opposed to trying to optimize battery. If they had actually allowed it to push that full 45 watts that the chip is capable of, the benchmarks might have been better.
2) That RAM configuration. Either bite the cost bullet and go with LPDDR4X at 16GB, or go for 32GB of dual rank DRAM, and since it's being soldered on the board, optimize the CL and secondary latency settings. The iGPU in that chip is capable of notably more than what was shown in the benchmarks. Look at the Surfacebook numbers in some of the tests to see what the U chip can do, this is capable of more...
3) That Webcam. It's worth it to me, and most of the laptop road warriors that I talk to to have at least a modest bezel along the top of the monitor that could fit a webcam and allow you to open and close the laptop without getting fingerprints on the screen.
TheinsanegamerN - Wednesday, October 20, 2021 - linkAgreed on the RAM. If youre gonna solder it give us 4733 MHz LPDDR4X.