Performance Expectations

In their presentation and FAQ, NVIDIA provided estimates of performance relative to Ivy Bridge Core i5 ULV with HD 4000. Before we get to those numbers, we want to quickly set the stage for what NVIDIA is showing. Despite the similarity in name and features, as we discovered last year the ULV chips tend to run into TDP limits when you’re trying to hit both the CPU and the iGPU. The CPU cores for instance can use around 12-15W and a full load on the iGPU can create another 10-15W; stuff both into a 17W TDP and you’re going to get throttling, which is exactly what happens.

Looking at HD 4000 performance with Core i5 ULV and Core i7 quad-core, you can see that the quad-core part is anywhere from 0% to around 60% faster. On average it’s 35% faster at our 2012 “Value” settings and 26% faster at our 2012 “Mainstream” settings. As for the 700M performance relative to Core i5 ULV, NVIDIA provides the following estimates based on benchmarks at moderate detail and 1366x768 in Battlefield 3, Crysis 2, Just Cause 2, DiRT 3, and F1 2011:

Besides the above slide, NVIDIA provided some performance estimates using results from the 3DMark 11 Performance benchmark, and the results are even more heavily in favor of NVIDIA. In their FAQ, NVIDIA states that even the lowly GeForce 710M is three times faster than ULV HD 4000, while the GT 720M is 3.3x faster, GT 730M and 735M are 4.8X faster (hmmm…do we really need GT 735M?), GT 740M is 5.3X faster, GT 745M is 5.8x faster, and GT 750M is 6.3x faster. Of course, those number are from NVIDIA, going up against the much slower ULV variant of Ivy Bridge, and using 3DMark 11—which isn’t quite as important as actual gaming performance.

I suspect the GT3 and GT3e configurations of Haswell will be substantially faster than IVB’s HD 4000 and may come close to the lower end of NVIDIA’s range…at least on the standard voltage Haswell chips. For ULV, I’ve heard a performance estimates that GT3 Haswell will be 30%-50% faster than GT2 IVB, and GT3e could be roughly twice as fast, but that should still leave NVIDIA with a healthy lead. Anyway, we’d suggest taking all of these numbers with a grain of salt for now. The real comparison for most is going to be Haswell and 700M, and while we have a pretty good idea where 700M and HD 4000 performance fall (since the 700M parts are Kepler and Fermi updates), Haswell’s iGPU is likely to be a different beast.

Closing Thoughts

On the whole, Kepler has been amazingly successful for NVIDIA, particularly in the mobile world. The bar for midrange mobile dGPUs was raised significantly with the GT 640M LE and above parts typically offering anywhere from 25% to 75% better performance than the previous generation, and that was accomplished along with reducing power use. It was NVIDIA’s version of Intel’s Core 2 launch, and the vast majority of notebooks with dGPUs seem to be using NVIDIA hardware these days. Much of that can also be attributed to NVIDIA’s driver team, where Optimus support and usability still trumps AMD’s Enduro alternative. AMD is still working to improve their drivers, but they're still not at the same level as NVIDIA's mobile drivers.

Not surprisingly, it looks like every laptop with an NVIDIA dGPU these days also comes with Optimus support, and NVIDIA says they’ll be in three times as many Ultrabooks and ultraportables in 2013 compared to 2012—which isn’t too hard, since off the top of my head the only two Ultrabooks with NVIDIA dGPUs I can name are the Acer M5 and the ASUS UX32VD. NVIDIA also says they have over 30 design wins for touchscreen laptops, but again considering Windows 8 almost requires a touchscreen to really be useful that’s expected. We will likely see a limited number of laptops launching with Ivy Bridge CPUs and 700M dGPUs over the coming weeks, with ASUS specifically listed in NVIDIA’s 700M FAQ with their X450 (GT 740M) and N46 (GT 740M as well); Lenovo is also a launch day partner with several options: Y400 with GT 750M, and Z400/Z500 with GT 740M.

The real launch is likely to coincide with Intel’s Haswell update later in Q2 2013. When that comes along, we're likely to see some additional 700M updates from NVIDIA on the high end (again, echoing what happened with the 600M and 680M launches). Just don't count on seeing a mobile variant of Titan/GK110 for a while yet; I'd peg that level of performance as something we won't see in laptops until we have two more process shrinks under our belts (i.e. when TSMC is at 16nm).

GeForce 700M Models and Specifications
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  • JarredWalton - Monday, April 1, 2013 - link

    *Crickets* (again)

    And this is why I don't buy into such claims; I had some issues when Optimus first launched, but I haven't had any I can specifically pinpoint in the last year or more. If anyone has something under Windows that doesn't play right with Optimus, please post it here so I can verify the issue. Otherwise, with no concrete evidence, it's just FUD.
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  • Wolfpup - Tuesday, April 2, 2013 - link

    VLC for starters. I seriously have no idea how you can be unaware of issues with it-any big notebook forum will have threads about it all the time, people trying to disable it. Reply
  • mrhumble1 - Monday, April 1, 2013 - link

    Speaking of dishonest, you are not sticking to the facts. You obviously don't own a nice laptop with a 680M inside. I do, and it performs amazingly well. I output games from my laptop to my TV via HDMI and they look spectacular.

    You also obviously don't understand that desktop PCs (and their components) cannot be directly compared laptops. I also highly doubt that a "dirt cheap" PC can run The Witcher 2 at almost Ultra settings at a playable framerate.
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  • tviceman - Monday, April 1, 2013 - link

    You're missing out then if you like to game. I've got a 560m that still performs admirably, running many of today's games with max settings (no AA) at 1600x900 60fps. I'm spoiled by fast frame rates and decent graphics settings, I can't imagine using even the upcoming haswell to play games like Bioshock Infinite on. Reply
  • xTRICKYxx - Monday, April 1, 2013 - link

    I will never ever buy a laptop without a discrete card. Video cards 7770M/650M or above can play any game on 1920x1080 on high if there is a good enough CPU as well. Mobile graphics are starting to become powerful enough.

    Look at Intel CPU's. My i7-2600K at home is slightly slower than my i7-3720QM clock for clock.
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  • jsilverstreak - Monday, April 1, 2013 - link

    680m sli is about 10% faster than a 680
    and the 780m's leaked benchmark was on par with a 660ti
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  • jsilverstreak - Monday, April 1, 2013 - link

    oops it's actually the 680 the 780m is on par with
    although its leaked
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  • nerd1 - Saturday, April 13, 2013 - link

    You obviously dont game, do you? Reply
  • Mr. Bub - Wednesday, April 17, 2013 - link

    Sure, maybe most mainstream users who facebook and email all day on laptops don't need anything more than integrated graphics, but guys like me (engineering students) who actually do stuff on computers will still rely on discrete GPUs. I can't properly run any of my CAD software without a discrete GPU. Reply
  • nerdstaz - Monday, April 22, 2013 - link

    http://www.notebookcheck.net/NVIDIA-GeForce-GTX-68...

    Your comparison is a bit off base <3
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