IoT is a huge space... It's overkill for a FitBit, sure. But for an Apple Watch? A HomePod has VASTLY MORE compute power. It remains unclear just how much we want to put into things like AirPods (in a perfect world they would, for example, act as a babelfish and translate language in real-time on-device --- and I don't think R4+M0 and no GPU is up to that :-) )
Even basic things like a thermometer right now are garbage IoT devices. Why don't they come with a decent UI (not this BS "double tap button A then hold button B for 2 seconds"), draw a graph of temperature over the past day and few days, etc? A digital thermometer might seem like a simple product that doesn't need this level of controller, but I want a DECENT digital thermometer, not the crap that's on sale right now. etc etc
If Samsung had a brain, they'd sell this as part of a unified package that also included a minimal OS and (most important) a recent UI framework allowing for the construction of reasonable UIs hooked up to a cheap screen and some reasonable input modalities. Let's see if they have that level of vision...
They don't, since they have no brains. Go to your nearest iStore and knock yourself out with their latest iThermo (tm) running their latest iThermoOS.
One company is trying to design, fab and sell an advanced, multipurpose, relatively high-performance IoT SoC solution for 3rd parties to utilize, which can also work with vertically integrated solutions of their own, and ^this guy is complaining why they haven't used said SoC for his imaginary thermometer that has a touchscreen. SMH...
Oh, and once they do, same dude would certainly accuse them of throwing everything at the wall and see what sticks. Lol, can you guys be ant more pretty?
Nest uses a Cortex-A8... What exactly is your complaint? You are against IoT things getting better UIs? You are against using Samsung products in thermometers? I was responding to the suggestion that this is a product without a use case by suggesting that many devices that use micro controllers today could use a product like this and provide a BETTER UI.
Pretty damn sure they know what they're doing. System LSI doesn't design consumer products. Like AMD, Intel and Qualcomm, they design silicon that satisfies the widest array of system integrators and OEMs.
The one complaining was you. You're complaining why isn't everyone making products and also designing the silicon AND OS running said product. That's not realistic. That's not how the supply chain works. Unless it sells as good and is as profitable as their Galaxy S, they won't bother, and even that doesn't get a unified tightly integrated SoC.
To answer your question, my complaint is about those who apply their understanding of the makings of a particular product from their favorite company to the entire product development of the entire tech industry. Just stop.
"If Samsung had a brain, they'd sell this as part of a unified package that also included a minimal OS and (most important) a recent UI framework"
So let's see. I was saying that Samsung should ensure that they sell this not as a bare SoC but ensure that it can also run an OS AND that that OS include a rudimentary UI system. You're opposed to this? You think it's unimportant that a SoC vendor include OS support or UI support?
I'm guessing this is to compete with the likes of ESP8266/ESP32 and Intel's new Xtensa-based Quark. Not quite ultra low power but also not a full Linux SoC.
28nm? Doesnt that kind of hurt the point? I guess there isnt anypoint putting this on the 20nm as it only offered higher density but dont they have two processes smaller than that again? This feels like when a company doesnt quite commit, usually they end up losing the race, Eg. Intel in mobile. I gusss they could be targeting this only at AC powered devices, but that seems like a lost opportunity.
Probably has as much to do with available space in the fab as anything.
The leading edge processes will fill the fab building state-of-the-art memories and processors, where you can get top dollar for the parts. All the memories and processors will move out of the 28 nm fabs leaving them empty - think of the demand for 4 year old Samsung phone processors compared with the demand 4 years ago. These trailing-edge products fill those fabs nicely.
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ddriver - Friday, June 23, 2017 - link
Sounds like overkill for most iot applications, nevertheless the M + R core combination makes it quite versatile.name99 - Saturday, June 24, 2017 - link
IoT is a huge space...It's overkill for a FitBit, sure.
But for an Apple Watch?
A HomePod has VASTLY MORE compute power.
It remains unclear just how much we want to put into things like AirPods (in a perfect world they would, for example, act as a babelfish and translate language in real-time on-device --- and I don't think R4+M0 and no GPU is up to that :-) )
Even basic things like a thermometer right now are garbage IoT devices. Why don't they come with a decent UI (not this BS "double tap button A then hold button B for 2 seconds"), draw a graph of temperature over the past day and few days, etc? A digital thermometer might seem like a simple product that doesn't need this level of controller, but I want a DECENT digital thermometer, not the crap that's on sale right now.
etc etc
If Samsung had a brain, they'd sell this as part of a unified package that also included a minimal OS and (most important) a recent UI framework allowing for the construction of reasonable UIs hooked up to a cheap screen and some reasonable input modalities. Let's see if they have that level of vision...
lilmoe - Sunday, June 25, 2017 - link
"Let's see if they have that level of vision"They don't, since they have no brains. Go to your nearest iStore and knock yourself out with their latest iThermo (tm) running their latest iThermoOS.
One company is trying to design, fab and sell an advanced, multipurpose, relatively high-performance IoT SoC solution for 3rd parties to utilize, which can also work with vertically integrated solutions of their own, and ^this guy is complaining why they haven't used said SoC for his imaginary thermometer that has a touchscreen. SMH...
Oh, and once they do, same dude would certainly accuse them of throwing everything at the wall and see what sticks. Lol, can you guys be ant more pretty?
name99 - Sunday, June 25, 2017 - link
Nest uses a Cortex-A8...What exactly is your complaint? You are against IoT things getting better UIs? You are against using Samsung products in thermometers?
I was responding to the suggestion that this is a product without a use case by suggesting that many devices that use micro controllers today could use a product like this and provide a BETTER UI.
So I ask again, what is your complaint?
lilmoe - Monday, June 26, 2017 - link
Pretty damn sure they know what they're doing. System LSI doesn't design consumer products. Like AMD, Intel and Qualcomm, they design silicon that satisfies the widest array of system integrators and OEMs.The one complaining was you. You're complaining why isn't everyone making products and also designing the silicon AND OS running said product. That's not realistic. That's not how the supply chain works. Unless it sells as good and is as profitable as their Galaxy S, they won't bother, and even that doesn't get a unified tightly integrated SoC.
To answer your question, my complaint is about those who apply their understanding of the makings of a particular product from their favorite company to the entire product development of the entire tech industry. Just stop.
name99 - Monday, June 26, 2017 - link
"If Samsung had a brain, they'd sell this as part of a unified package that also included a minimal OS and (most important) a recent UI framework"So let's see. I was saying that Samsung should ensure that they sell this not as a bare SoC but ensure that it can also run an OS AND that that OS include a rudimentary UI system.
You're opposed to this? You think it's unimportant that a SoC vendor include OS support or UI support?
GreenMeters - Friday, June 23, 2017 - link
Targets ultra-low power applications. Only includes Wi-Fi, no 802.15.4 capability. Not smart, Samsung.kfishy - Friday, June 23, 2017 - link
I'm guessing this is to compete with the likes of ESP8266/ESP32 and Intel's new Xtensa-based Quark. Not quite ultra low power but also not a full Linux SoC.elabdump - Saturday, June 24, 2017 - link
Is this chip well documented? Or will this chip end up as a weapon in internet wars?StevoLincolnite - Saturday, June 24, 2017 - link
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The adverts turn shitty, the adblocker turns on, it's pretty simple.evanrich - Saturday, June 24, 2017 - link
this site has ads? I've had ublock on for yearsBrokenCrayons - Monday, June 26, 2017 - link
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28nm? Doesnt that kind of hurt the point?I guess there isnt anypoint putting this on the 20nm as it only offered higher density but dont they have two processes smaller than that again?
This feels like when a company doesnt quite commit, usually they end up losing the race, Eg. Intel in mobile.
I gusss they could be targeting this only at AC powered devices, but that seems like a lost opportunity.
kfishy - Friday, June 30, 2017 - link
Considering most microcontrollers are on older processes like 45nm, 65nm, or even 90nm and 130nm it's a bit of a moot point.FrankSchwab - Sunday, June 25, 2017 - link
Probably has as much to do with available space in the fab as anything.The leading edge processes will fill the fab building state-of-the-art memories and processors, where you can get top dollar for the parts. All the memories and processors will move out of the 28 nm fabs leaving them empty - think of the demand for 4 year old Samsung phone processors compared with the demand 4 years ago. These trailing-edge products fill those fabs nicely.