Basically what this means is that it gives customers options to choose EPYC servers if they wish - it does not mean that Oracle is switching to EPYC has primary server. They still have SPARC and Xeon based servers
Probably being defensive, it's typical. Fact is Epyc is barely 2 years old, if Xeon is being replaced this early on, Intel will be sheeting their pants and tell their fanboy it's golden shower just take it in.
Reading more out of the message - All I am saying is that EPYC is not replacing Zeon's that it just another platform for Oracle to have servers on - typical AMD fanboys love to think just because one supports Intel - that they must defend Intel. Who cares it just a CPU platform.
When any company announces a new product, it will mention VERY CLEARLY if that replaces an existing one. It would have been mentioned in the article if it was necessary. Not all AMD articles need Intel in them and also the other way around. Must be hard to remain neutral and unbiased.
It's reasonable for audiences like those found in other tech fangirl sites. What business in their right mind would immaturely faze out all of their Intel based infrastructure just because AMD offers "2.5x" more value? Their Intel based servers are paid for or in contract. These servers ain't going nowhere until the end of their life-cycles, or until they become unprofitable.
Unless Intel beats AMD in value (regardless which is "cheaper", that's not the full equation), you can expect more AMD and less Intel in the coming years. These don't need AVX for the vast majority of workloads.
BC HStewart isn't technology agnostic. He's an Intel branded sheep and his rants have turned into "The shill that cried wolf" too many times. So we tend to ignore him.
Spoken from a typical AMD sheep who thinks that if you not AMD than you are Intel sheep ignoring the fact that SPARC was also mention. No wonder INTEL stock rose on Friday and AMD sank. Today INTC is currently rose 0.040% which is nothing compare to 1.82% sunk after a major drop Friday.
With personal attacks on forums if you are not AMD, no wonder why most Intel people don't care about forums. It just a good feeling to be different and real in this area.
No I am not employee of Intel, I did Interview with them in early 90's but at he time - they not need ASM developers - you would think not getting the job to work on team that developers the CPU would make me jump ship - but Intel has been good for me over the decades. Honestly my first PC that I actually purchase at AMD 386 25mhz even though Advertise with Intel CPU - I guess that started my mistrust of AMD.
What's up with Microsoft's Lv2 Series anyway? That was announced nearly year ago and since then we have heard nothing. It seemingly never got out of trial status.
Epyc is replacing Xeon by all means but not in the way people think. It's simply providing better performance with better security in a more cost-effective package for those that are interested. The adoption rate will determine how Oracle portions out their services and back-end hardware. Long story short, it will be replacing lots of Xeons if Intel continues to trail the upcoming Epyc Rome.
Can someone explain what a "Bare Metal" Virtual Machine is. Is it just a marketing term, or is Oracle using some special virtualization technology that's even lower-level than something like KVM?
Or maybe the slide meant to say Bare Metal OR Virtual Machines, which would make more sense.
Bare Metal Instances - A bare metal instance is a physical server that is fully dedicated to you. ... Virtual Machine (VM) Instances - A VM compute instance is an isolated operating system environment on a multi-tenant host.
Where did you get the "Virtual Machine" (for Bare Metal)?
Bare Metal means customer gets full access to the entire server, and can run anything on it that they choose. So instead of the service provider running hypervisor and allocating VMs to customers, the customer controls the entire system.
afaict/imo, the game changer re cloud as far as an upstart like epyc is concerned, is clients loads can be run on a ~tailor made server resource, rented by the hour.
Pre cloud, the client had to buy a more generalist system that coped with a range of corporate needs.
For an upstart to compete was much more difficult.
I imagine it acts as a proving ground also. Try before you buy. If the cloud instance works well, in time they shift the load to an in house epyc if its cheaper, or the cloud link bandwidth becomes an issue.
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PeachNCream - Tuesday, October 23, 2018 - link
That's some EPYC-ally good news for AMD.FredWebsters - Wednesday, December 26, 2018 - link
I think that these news are good too!HStewart - Tuesday, October 23, 2018 - link
Basically what this means is that it gives customers options to choose EPYC servers if they wish - it does not mean that Oracle is switching to EPYC has primary server. They still have SPARC and Xeon based serversTeckk - Tuesday, October 23, 2018 - link
It was nowhere mentioned that this replaces Xeons. Not sure why you're even mentioning it.Pewzor - Tuesday, October 23, 2018 - link
Probably being defensive, it's typical.Fact is Epyc is barely 2 years old, if Xeon is being replaced this early on, Intel will be sheeting their pants and tell their fanboy it's golden shower just take it in.
HStewart - Monday, October 29, 2018 - link
Reading more out of the message - All I am saying is that EPYC is not replacing Zeon's that it just another platform for Oracle to have servers on - typical AMD fanboys love to think just because one supports Intel - that they must defend Intel. Who cares it just a CPU platform.Arbie - Tuesday, October 23, 2018 - link
I think the HStewart comment was a reasonable addition that might well have been in the article itself. Not sure why you're even complaining about it.Teckk - Tuesday, October 23, 2018 - link
When any company announces a new product, it will mention VERY CLEARLY if that replaces an existing one. It would have been mentioned in the article if it was necessary. Not all AMD articles need Intel in them and also the other way around.Must be hard to remain neutral and unbiased.
HStewart - Monday, October 29, 2018 - link
Did you notice, I did not mention only mention Zeon, I did mention SPARC - but no body cared about that point. Just assume bias for Intel.lilmoe - Tuesday, October 23, 2018 - link
It's reasonable for audiences like those found in other tech fangirl sites.What business in their right mind would immaturely faze out all of their Intel based infrastructure just because AMD offers "2.5x" more value? Their Intel based servers are paid for or in contract. These servers ain't going nowhere until the end of their life-cycles, or until they become unprofitable.
Unless Intel beats AMD in value (regardless which is "cheaper", that's not the full equation), you can expect more AMD and less Intel in the coming years. These don't need AVX for the vast majority of workloads.
Manch - Wednesday, October 24, 2018 - link
BC HStewart isn't technology agnostic. He's an Intel branded sheep and his rants have turned into "The shill that cried wolf" too many times. So we tend to ignore him.HStewart - Monday, October 29, 2018 - link
Spoken from a typical AMD sheep who thinks that if you not AMD than you are Intel sheep ignoring the fact that SPARC was also mention. No wonder INTEL stock rose on Friday and AMD sank. Today INTC is currently rose 0.040% which is nothing compare to 1.82% sunk after a major drop Friday.Prosp3ctus - Tuesday, October 23, 2018 - link
Lol, he must be hired by Intel or something. That sounded like an Intel PR statement right there.benedict - Wednesday, October 24, 2018 - link
You must be new here. HStewart is the biggest Intel shill on these forums.cadefy - Wednesday, October 24, 2018 - link
but why tho, why shill a dead company?HStewart - Monday, October 29, 2018 - link
That is probably most Intel people don't care about this stuff - I am just an older Tech junkie.I am not all Intel - I have Samsung Note 8, Galaxy Tab S3 and Galaxy Watch, bus some users only see Intel if one is not AMD.
HStewart - Monday, October 29, 2018 - link
With personal attacks on forums if you are not AMD, no wonder why most Intel people don't care about forums. It just a good feeling to be different and real in this area.HStewart - Monday, October 29, 2018 - link
No I am not employee of Intel, I did Interview with them in early 90's but at he time - they not need ASM developers - you would think not getting the job to work on team that developers the CPU would make me jump ship - but Intel has been good for me over the decades. Honestly my first PC that I actually purchase at AMD 386 25mhz even though Advertise with Intel CPU - I guess that started my mistrust of AMD.lefty2 - Tuesday, October 23, 2018 - link
What's up with Microsoft's Lv2 Series anyway? That was announced nearly year ago and since then we have heard nothing. It seemingly never got out of trial status.zangheiv - Tuesday, October 23, 2018 - link
Epyc is replacing Xeon by all means but not in the way people think. It's simply providing better performance with better security in a more cost-effective package for those that are interested. The adoption rate will determine how Oracle portions out their services and back-end hardware. Long story short, it will be replacing lots of Xeons if Intel continues to trail the upcoming Epyc Rome.wizfactor - Wednesday, October 24, 2018 - link
Can someone explain what a "Bare Metal" Virtual Machine is. Is it just a marketing term, or is Oracle using some special virtualization technology that's even lower-level than something like KVM?Or maybe the slide meant to say Bare Metal OR Virtual Machines, which would make more sense.
msroadkill612 - Wednesday, October 24, 2018 - link
I checkedBare Metal Instances - A bare metal instance is a physical server that is fully dedicated to you. ...
Virtual Machine (VM) Instances - A VM compute instance is an isolated operating system environment on a multi-tenant host.
Lord of the Bored - Wednesday, October 24, 2018 - link
It means they don't paint the chassis before they install it in the server room.Hul8 - Wednesday, October 24, 2018 - link
Where did you get the "Virtual Machine" (for Bare Metal)?Bare Metal means customer gets full access to the entire server, and can run anything on it that they choose. So instead of the service provider running hypervisor and allocating VMs to customers, the customer controls the entire system.
Hul8 - Wednesday, October 24, 2018 - link
Sorry, just noticed the slide.If you know that "bare metal" and "Virtual Machine" are mutually exclusive, you know that the slide means either or.
msroadkill612 - Wednesday, October 24, 2018 - link
afaict/imo, the game changer re cloud as far as an upstart like epyc is concerned, is clients loads can be run on a ~tailor made server resource, rented by the hour.Pre cloud, the client had to buy a more generalist system that coped with a range of corporate needs.
For an upstart to compete was much more difficult.
I imagine it acts as a proving ground also. Try before you buy. If the cloud instance works well, in time they shift the load to an in house epyc if its cheaper, or the cloud link bandwidth becomes an issue.