I agree with the first sentence, but it doesn't mean they don't have support or are not reliable. Unfortunately Anandtech is getting full of native advertisement although sometimes Anand's own hardware insights were really good.
Let me put it this way - you have a $250K storage budget. Do you buy EMC, Netapp, HP, Dell, Hitachi for less or take a flyer on this thing (keep in mind your job/career is tied to this stuff)?
EMC XtremeIO is within the same ballpark price/GB, and so is Pure storage. I've been keeping an eye on Tegile, they've been growing pretty fast and couple of friends who got test boxes like it a lot (they got their Hybrid boxes though, not the all flash). I get the comment about career, but lets be honest every time someone buys an array they will have half their IT staff complain about the purchase and how they got the wrong box.
The big storage companies have been complacent, these new entries into the market (like Pure Storage) are shaking things up nicely and finally giving us some innovation.
DukeN, virtually none of the companies you refer to have a meaningful play in the all-flash space, EMC's scramble to buy and integrate someone who does notwithstanding.
You can certainly still buy one of their products if you prioritize "playing it safe" and don't mind the outdated interface, architecture, and performance levels. I personally prioritize the most efficient use of my company's dollars, and when it comes to using SSDs intelligently, it's either HP or one of the new guys (Pure, Tegile, Nimble, etc.).
Black Obsidian beat me to it: Your's is a blatantly ignorant perspective on evaluating enterprise storage. NTAP and EMC continue to lose market share (due mostly to customers refusing to pay legacy software licensing and support models), Dell goes private so they don't have to explain their shrinking market share quarter after quarter, while HP continues to wonder what to do with 3 completely separate storage offerings that can't be integrated?
You've essentially provided a list of dysfunctional dinosaurs whose only response to innovation is to acquire. I suppose you're still using the old adage that "No one ever lost their job for buying IBM" too? I know a few XIV and SVC users who would surely disagree.
A few of these flash start ups offer some compelling solutions that are both fast and cheap. If you're not considering them because they don't have expensive EMC or NetApp bezels, you're not really doing your job, let alone playing it "safe".
What makes you think this is an advertisement? I don't see where I've particularly praised Tegile. We've been reporting product launches for a long time and it's not always possible to have a detailed analysis in the launch article given the tight deadlines and complexity of the devices.
I've used Tegile's systems in the field and have also been generally impressed with them. I certainly would consider their hybrid solutions over a VNX 5400 or Mid range NetApp unit if random IO and multi-protocol support were important for the deployment.
I feel like the OP has never really been in charge of an enterprise SAN/NAS purchase process. Nor does he seem to understand those are list prices, not street.
Yeah, certainly list price and by no means street price. However, I wouldn't put too much faith in dedup/compress. It varies heavily by workload. VDI will get huge returns. Scanning archive storage, not so much. Our Tegile sits at a 3-to-1 savings, so 3TB becomes 1TB on disk, etc, etc. So 24TB of storage would be 72TB of storage at my _actual_ dedup/compress rating. Go spec out 72TB of all-flash storage and you'll see list go well above the $300k in the article.
First , Let me say thank you to everyone for letting a bad post go wild and validating everything the industry and myself our seeing . Obviously there are many factors involved , but the new guys on the block like Tegile are offering a much more attractive product then the BIG boys in today's storage world .
Tegile-se1 - Sunday, November 23, 2014 - link First , Let me say thank you to everyone for letting a bad post go wild and validating everything the industry and myself our seeing . Obviously there are many factors involved , but the new guys on the block like Tegile are offering a much more attractive product then the BIG boys in today's storage world .
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DukeN - Tuesday, November 4, 2014 - link
LOL this is a pathetic attempt at advertising.And $300K for 24TB of storage?! LOL I can buy an all-flash array from one of the big guys for less and not be worried about reliability/support.
mmrezaie - Tuesday, November 4, 2014 - link
I agree with the first sentence, but it doesn't mean they don't have support or are not reliable. Unfortunately Anandtech is getting full of native advertisement although sometimes Anand's own hardware insights were really good.DukeN - Tuesday, November 4, 2014 - link
Let me put it this way - you have a $250K storage budget. Do you buy EMC, Netapp, HP, Dell, Hitachi for less or take a flyer on this thing (keep in mind your job/career is tied to this stuff)?ialbulushi - Tuesday, November 4, 2014 - link
EMC XtremeIO is within the same ballpark price/GB, and so is Pure storage. I've been keeping an eye on Tegile, they've been growing pretty fast and couple of friends who got test boxes like it a lot (they got their Hybrid boxes though, not the all flash). I get the comment about career, but lets be honest every time someone buys an array they will have half their IT staff complain about the purchase and how they got the wrong box.The big storage companies have been complacent, these new entries into the market (like Pure Storage) are shaking things up nicely and finally giving us some innovation.
Black Obsidian - Wednesday, November 5, 2014 - link
DukeN, virtually none of the companies you refer to have a meaningful play in the all-flash space, EMC's scramble to buy and integrate someone who does notwithstanding.You can certainly still buy one of their products if you prioritize "playing it safe" and don't mind the outdated interface, architecture, and performance levels. I personally prioritize the most efficient use of my company's dollars, and when it comes to using SSDs intelligently, it's either HP or one of the new guys (Pure, Tegile, Nimble, etc.).
ToeCutter - Wednesday, January 28, 2015 - link
Black Obsidian beat me to it: Your's is a blatantly ignorant perspective on evaluating enterprise storage. NTAP and EMC continue to lose market share (due mostly to customers refusing to pay legacy software licensing and support models), Dell goes private so they don't have to explain their shrinking market share quarter after quarter, while HP continues to wonder what to do with 3 completely separate storage offerings that can't be integrated?You've essentially provided a list of dysfunctional dinosaurs whose only response to innovation is to acquire. I suppose you're still using the old adage that "No one ever lost their job for buying IBM" too? I know a few XIV and SVC users who would surely disagree.
A few of these flash start ups offer some compelling solutions that are both fast and cheap. If you're not considering them because they don't have expensive EMC or NetApp bezels, you're not really doing your job, let alone playing it "safe".
Kristian Vättö - Tuesday, November 4, 2014 - link
What makes you think this is an advertisement? I don't see where I've particularly praised Tegile. We've been reporting product launches for a long time and it's not always possible to have a detailed analysis in the launch article given the tight deadlines and complexity of the devices.Beelzebubba9 - Tuesday, November 4, 2014 - link
I've used Tegile's systems in the field and have also been generally impressed with them. I certainly would consider their hybrid solutions over a VNX 5400 or Mid range NetApp unit if random IO and multi-protocol support were important for the deployment.I feel like the OP has never really been in charge of an enterprise SAN/NAS purchase process. Nor does he seem to understand those are list prices, not street.
cygnus1 - Tuesday, November 4, 2014 - link
yeah, you won't get an all flash array with the same protocol support for that pricecygnus1 - Tuesday, November 4, 2014 - link
and you're also not accounting for the dedupe and other features you will priced out of if you look elsewhereAmmaross - Tuesday, November 4, 2014 - link
Yeah, certainly list price and by no means street price. However, I wouldn't put too much faith in dedup/compress. It varies heavily by workload. VDI will get huge returns. Scanning archive storage, not so much. Our Tegile sits at a 3-to-1 savings, so 3TB becomes 1TB on disk, etc, etc. So 24TB of storage would be 72TB of storage at my _actual_ dedup/compress rating. Go spec out 72TB of all-flash storage and you'll see list go well above the $300k in the article.Tegile-se1 - Sunday, November 23, 2014 - link
First , Let me say thank you to everyone for letting a bad post go wild and validating everything the industry and myself our seeing . Obviously there are many factors involved , but the new guys on the block like Tegile are offering a much more attractive product then the BIG boys in today's storage world .Thanks again, SE1
www.tegile.com
Tegile-se1 - Sunday, November 23, 2014 - link
Tegile-se1 - Sunday, November 23, 2014 - linkFirst , Let me say thank you to everyone for letting a bad post go wild and validating everything the industry and myself our seeing . Obviously there are many factors involved , but the new guys on the block like Tegile are offering a much more attractive product then the BIG boys in today's storage world .
Thanks again, SE1
www.tegile.com
Mikemk - Tuesday, November 4, 2014 - link
And here I thought 136TB was a lot.